Ryzen 9000 Reviews Part 2, The Return Of HEDT, Buy Or Wait & More | The Full Nerd ep. 313

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They are talking about 9950x and gamers for some reason without talking about the 9600x and 9700x being disappointing for gaming. Those are for gaming. Then using buns an argument for what consumers want… what about hotdog buns??? Literally the go to example that companies don't give consumers what they want, the same number of hotdog buns as hotdogs. Why? because it is more profitable not to give them what they want. There's a reason there isn't a 7600x3D even though that would be what consumers want, cause they can severely upcharge and not give you an option other than the significantly more expensive 7800x3D. Or hell even the 5600x3D, which we are now evidently getting a 5500x3D after the 5600x3D was exclusive to one store.

So what's Adam's preferred sport then? The one where they pipe in sneaker noises to make it exciting, the one that goes to commercial break every 4 downs, or the hour and a half track meet?

I'm too tired to be upset with disappointing products anymore. I'm just fatigued with lackluster release after lackluster release. We saw so little uplift from both Zen5 and 14th gen that you have to cherry pick to make them look better. If you want gaming performance with X3D you have to sacrifice production. If you want production you have to sacrifice gaming. Or you have to spend $600 on the CPU alone for a 7950X3D. If you go Intel you get better gaming and affordable mixed use than non-X3D, but now you have to worry about your CPU surviving while guzzling power. Everything is over hyped, overpriced, overpromised, and underdelivered. And I don't even have to go into the shape of the GPU market. There's good products out there, but most of it is ruined the second you weigh in value.

It's just getting hard to get genuinely excited being a hardware enthusiast these days. I don't care about AI, I don't care about X3D because I need compile and compression performance. So the only ray of hope I might have is Arrow Lake, and Intel's track record this year isn't exactly glowing. We need something to get excited about again, and a lot less "well it's not that bad."

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Great talk. Wish there was more like this for creators. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I'm having a hard time letting go of my 3960x Threadripper + Asrock Crator Mobo that's been rocking SOLID for the past 3 years with 2x 4070s FE + 2x 2070 FE Supers (on riser cables), 3x 2TB SSDs, 2x 10 TB mechanicals and 1x 4 TB SETA. 9950x QUESTION: Do you guys think the new Asus x870 ROG Cosshair Hero or Asus x870 ProArt can handle all these drives with 2x 4070s (Minus the 2x 2070s of course) like my old 3960x can with stability? I'm looking at the Hero because it has an extra power connector that could help juice up the second 4070!

+1 on productivity /Content creation /Programming and AI benchmarks. I game but only about 2% max on my pc. Please consider some programming type stuff. Not everyone is a youtube streamer or gamer. I bought a 13900k for work mainly and i game on it occasionally.

Most game devs are going to make game engines and games for that the hardware that average gamer has because they want to sell their game to the most people. Multi core is a chicken and egg problem. And the hardware had to come first. Now that according to the steam survey most windows gamers have 6+ CPU cores new game engines and games will be made with that in mind. You can look at the hardware requirements for games that are going up. I dont think you will be able to find a main stream game released this year that doesnt require 4 cores it I bet most games recommend a 8 core CPU and it wasnt long ago that you could get away with just a 2 core CPU. And now that the i5 and R5 parts are 6 core I think we will see 6 core CPUs become the minimum requirement with in the next couple of years.

I like your Star Wars background.

All AMD had to do was set correct expectations. They did same thing with RDNA 3

intel did stick to quad core in normal consumer for many years, yeah they sold higher core products eventually as hedt for insane prices. but they stagnated at quad core and innovated instead simd which was a hard thing for amd follow.

It was a good one, Gordon brought up some great points. Also more cores more better.

But I have to disagree with Will about 4 cores being all you need. 4 seem to struggle with even basic tasks.

I am pretty sure Hardware Unboxed or someone ran a test for games and absolutely the newest games do better with 6 or more cores. Still it isn't linear. But with time we will see (as with 2 core processors) you just need more to even get through the door for most software. I would not buy anything less than 8 core someone is like me and buys a PC for 10+ years.

I had a Handspring Visor with the clear case. I thought it was amazing and it had a great screen.

The sales have the 9000 CPUs have been pretty underwhelming to say the least. The gaming benchmarks are a good indicator for the IPC uplift you'd expect from a new CPU architecture, so the bottleneck exist somewhere and amd needs to address that somehow if they want to sell these non-x3d chips for what they are asking. If not, its just going to be a terrible launch and everyone is going to wait for the x3d parts anyway.

Intel does not have that problem, the i5 is a great chip for everything. Having to add x3d to every chip is that expensive or does not had high yields, or whats the problem? They even have x3d on the 5600. They could release lower SKU parts with non-x3d, and only the high end CPUs with x3d only. The things is why can't you have the best of both worlds, good productivity and gaming performance. Guess we'll have to wait another 2 years to see if that is possible for amd.

I'm sorry. Tim Burton should have been blacklisted from Hollywood for what he did to Batman.

If you went Xeon for X58, you get better performance, at a lower price. Sure the X5690 is faster than the 990x at a higher price, but you could get 2*Xeon X5675 on a board for 12 cores at 3Ghz for the same price as an 990x+board, and with the Xeons, you could run DDR3 1333(and in some cases 1866) vs 1066 on the i7
The Xeons were cheaper, and i think more efficient, generally at a lower price.
I still kick myself over getting rid of my EVGA SR2 after a pair of caps blew, should have tried to repair it, i could get 12 cores at 4.2Ghz on that board.

40:00 I really wish more reviewers would take your approach.
Sure the 4070TI isnt that much of an improvement over the 3080 considering the price increase, but put into context that the 3080 is a 600mm 320 bit class part and the 4070TI is more closely related to the 3060 with both at around 300mm 192bit hardware class. So really, for the 4070TI to be almost 2x as fast as its predecessor is an AMAZING feat, just dissapointing that the MSRP changed by 242% (significantly higher than the parts and labor increase would suggest)
Honestly with the extra margins RTX 4000 is making(as well as the 3000 series before), i really am looking forward to the 5000 series, i think we're going to get 2 generations in a row with GTX 10 series like performance per die area uplifts, the hickup is memory bandwidth.

Remember the GTX 1080 is sort of like the 4070TI both effectively 60 class cards of around 300mm, competing with last gen's 600mm Titan/80TI/90 class card. 4070ti is more impressive as it has a 60 class bus, where the 1080 had an 80 class 256 bit.

If i had to guess, 80% of Ryzen desktop processors are APUS and not CPUs going to companies like Lenovo, HP, and Dell (FYI most of these are still Zen3 APUs on desktop, only laptop seem to be Zen3.5/Zen4/Zen5), and of the non APU CPUs, most of those probably go to system integrators like iBuyPower.
Now should these system integrators be pushing people to 6/8 core X3D or 16 core non3D?
Maybe but that takes away user choice and people dont like that, then again, i'd imagine the people who know (and comprehend) the differences in these choices would build their own computers.